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Schwalbe:

--- Quote from: DJ Logicalia on February 10, 2015, 04:22:41 am ---In short, sure new players can be stupid and rude, but take a minute to explain stuff like a decent human being. I've had my share of uncontrollable noobs and it hasn't soiled me to the idea of helping new players along

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Believe me, I always start with that, I don't do so ONLY when I fly with players level 35+ that I know. I always ask: "are there questions?" after each briefing. If there are - I explain the best I can. Yesterday I had level 6 player, who was aboard mobula for the first time, and was to man mercury for the first time either. He accepted my loadout, but changed it a bit. What's rare - during the match he saw that his changes (he took mallet instead of wrench, and I haven't noticed that) were a terrible mistake. He asked me questions about ammo I gave him, and so I explained to him. And it was a pleasure. By the way, that was the same match, where engies tried to tell how much mobula suck. And it was NOT a pleasure.

c-ponter:
It's clear that something is killing the community but it a not the novices, its this thread and others like it that have descended into personal arguments.
Granted I am not the oldest player, but in my time playing guns I have gained massive respect for most of the playerbase, even those I have never played with before simply because I can't remember a single bad experience with anybody lvl 15+ ( or there abouts).
Never have I seen so many cheap and unnecessary comments of 'I respect the noobs more' and worse taking pot shots at other players.
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion on people, obviously you won't like everyone, but there is no need to vent it on a public forum in some attempt to name and shame somebody you personally don't get along with. It's really not that hard to either just block said player and don't play with them or actually just talk to them in a private message, if you really take so much offence from somebody over the internet you never have and likely never will meet, in my opinion you are not too well suited to be on the internet.
It a bit of a harsh way of looking at it I know, but not as harsh as some of the petty comments on here.

Hoja Lateralus:

--- Quote from: DJ Logicalia on February 10, 2015, 04:22:41 am ---Right, so before this thread gets locked, I would like to chime in on "noobs"

Literally an hour ago I had a player with zero matches played and a player with 30 matches played crewing on my galleon. Neither of them had been on a galleon before and started out in the lobby as dual gunners and terrible loadouts. I asked one to go engi and he did. The other one I gave some ammo and a brief explanation of what those types in on a hwacha. Before long they were both bottom decking like pros. A little bit of instruction goes a long way, especially if you treat them like people instead of pests. Last night, I met two very new players who were super cool and took instructions well   and liked the music I was playing, so I asked if they wanted to join my clan, and they did. We now have two brand new friends that I wouldn't have made, had I taken the "rude, entitled 'vet' " approach.

In short, sure new players can be stupid and rude, but take a minute to explain stuff like a decent human being. I've had my share of uncontrollable noobs and it hasn't soiled me to the idea of helping new players along 

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I thought it is kinda agreed that comprehensive new players are not called noobs. I think I'm not the kind of person you percieve me as. No, I don't kick children and when I say 'noob' I don't mean "new player", I mean "new player that can't and/or is not willing to communicate, cooperate and learn on their and other's mistakes". That one person that can break the whole game (as mentioned before - lvl2 gunner piloting spire).

I'm suprised that I have to explain that. Really.

HamsterIV:
Actually I would like to change the slang from noob to "snowflake" and "cog"

Snowflake - A new player who feels they are special and will do things their own way even when asked repeatedly to do things differently.

Cog - A new player who is trying their best to fit in, will follow instructions even if they don't make sense. Even though they interchangeable with any of 1000 other Cogs, once you have him/her slotted into place you are loathed to see them go.

Also this game does not need better tutorials. There is no way Muse can compress all the knowledge a player needs to succeed in this game into popup text in the sandbox mode. We as a community need to start posting to Youtube what a competent crew sounds like and plays like. Youtube is awash in stupid lets play videos of 1st time engineers malleting a broken flame thrower while the hull losses armor and dies. Unless we show people how the game is supposed to be played we have no right to expect them to do it properly when they join our crew.

For those who have been here a while, do you remember the Russin Influx? Some famous Russian Youtuber did a lets play where she and her friends ran around screaming on a Goldfish as they contributed jack squat to their team. A week later the lobbies are filled with Russian players doing the exact same thing. I have nothing but love for the Russian members of our community who actually stuck around and learned the game. It is the best example I could think of for the kind of mess we get when new players approaching this game with warped expectations of how it is played.

BlackenedPies:

--- Quote from: HamsterIV on February 10, 2015, 03:32:01 pm ---
Also this game does not need better tutorials. There is no way Muse can compress all the knowledge a player needs to succeed in this game into popup text in the sandbox mode. We as a community need to start posting to Youtube what a competent crew sounds like and plays like. Youtube is awash in stupid lets play videos of 1st time engineers malleting a broken flame thrower while the hull losses armor and dies. Unless we show people how the game is supposed to be played we have no right to expect them to do it properly when they join our crew.


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Yes!

I think that new players have grown to expect YouTube guides, of which there are effectively none.
Videos of experienced crews would be good, but also explanations of guns/ammo, tools, and tactics.
GOIO 101?

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