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Trystan Hart:
--- Quote from: Keyvias on November 11, 2014, 10:53:03 am ---If our system is hindering big group play, that's bad and something that should be fixed.
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On that case, could I suggest a small change? When in the crew form, have a checkbox to enable ship-shuffling when the matchmaker places you in a lobby. Rather than it failing to find balanced opponents for your high level 4-ship crew, it could put two of the ships on blue, and fill any empty spots with stragglers from the queue.
Keyvias:
Trystan,
That's an awesome idea! Though we already have a system for that if you create a custom game and after placing your team on either side opening it to queue.
I definitely like you idea though for people who want an easy way to say "I want these ships in the game, put them wherever."
Let me check with the programmers and see how hard to put a button like that in would be.
CitizenFry:
Would be nice for captains to have a button in crew formation to split their ship off from the rest of the formation. If I'm teamed with a ship I don't especially care to fly with again and we get sent to crew formation, I'd like to be able to easily requeue with just my ship. This would also have the advantage of making it easier for matchmaker to find appropriate matches both for my ship and that other ship, because it's working with smaller units.
sparklerfish:
--- Quote from: Keyvias on November 11, 2014, 10:53:03 am ---The positive effect on balance and speed would be more important than the reduction of flexibility.
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I would rather wait a couple more minutes for the matchmaker to fill the empty spots in a lobby that I've been enjoying than be torn away from players I'm having fun with.
Numbers DO NOT adequately reflect QUALITATIVE player experience. Being shuffled around to new lobbies is not fun. Being forced away from a fun match is not fun. Being stuck in crew formation watching a spinning circle is not as fun as chilling in a lobby with ships of my friends to talk to.
Qualitative player experience seems to be lower on your priority list than your quantitative statistics on MMR and balance. Not a fan.
Maybe you could have it base rematches remaining on how many people leave afterwards. If nearly everyone is sticking around, don't make them leave; if enough people are leaving that it's burdensome for the matchmaker to fill it, have it go to crew formation. I don't know. Something, ANYTHING, to make it so that if WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GREAT LOBBY that we don't have to have it taken away because sometimes unbalanced lobbies get rematched.
"sometimes unbalanced lobbies vote for rematch" and "sometimes a bunch of people leave a lobby" isn't a justification for "you can actually literally never keep a lobby going even if it's enjoyable for most people involved"
Maybe we could have an option at the end of the match where you could vote "rematch", "return to crew formation", or "I individually want to leave and find a new lobby" so that the matchmaker could know in advance how many people are leaving and how to treat the lobby?
KitKatKitty:
--- Quote from: Trystan Hart on November 11, 2014, 11:59:25 am ---On that case, could I suggest a small change? When in the crew form, have a checkbox to enable ship-shuffling when the matchmaker places you in a lobby. Rather than it failing to find balanced opponents for your high level 4-ship crew, it could put two of the ships on blue, and fill any empty spots with stragglers from the queue.
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--- Quote from: Keyvias on November 11, 2014, 12:33:12 pm ---Though we already have a system for that if you create a custom game and after placing your team on either side opening it to queue.
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This isn't a bad idea. Keyvias, I often do what you suggest here but in knowing that we are trying to get match making to work, my friends and I often try to stay in the match making system rather than start another lobby, so I think this idea would be beneficial.
--- Quote from: CitizenFry on November 11, 2014, 12:57:13 pm ---Would be nice for captains to have a button in crew formation to split their ship off from the rest of the formation.
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I like this idea, too. ;)
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