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Sammy B. T.:
I'm reminded of this cartoon
Working to be accountable to a greater standard is worthwhile to do even if you don't think the standards are too low. Either the harassment isn't a problem therefore actions taken to raise our standards are easy and in no way hard to do or the harassment is a problem and bettering ourselves solves an issue that needs to be solved.
Can't hurt. You hear something objectionable, just say something. Community peer pressure can be a force for good.
Felkin:
I feel like this has destroyed the fun that was the community, it's not fun to sit there and watch people fight and bicker in lobbies or in the middle of matches because, something that shouldn't have happened, happened, however as a person, I would really like the community to just move on before it ends up shattering itself and further people get upset, I understand certain sects of the community are upset right now, but the arguments and fights are spilling over into the parts of the community who haven't even touched this, and have tried their best to stay neutral. We just need to pick up the pieces and move on gals/guys, its in the past and if we keep living in the past how can we live in present and think of the future?
"Life is one big road with lots of signs. So when you riding through the ruts, don't complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy. Don't bury your thoughts, put your vision to reality. Wake Up and Live! - Bob Marley"
"Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harms we do, we do to ourselves. - Mitch Albom"
Skrimskraw:
--- Quote from: Felkin on September 23, 2014, 04:23:00 am ---I feel like this has destroyed the fun that was the community, it's not fun to sit there and watch people fight and bicker in lobbies or in the middle of matches because, something that shouldn't have happened, happened, however as a person, I would really like the community to just move on before it ends up shattering itself and further people get upset, I understand certain sects of the community are upset right now, but the arguments and fights are spilling over into the parts of the community who haven't even touched this, and have tried their best to stay neutral. We just need to pick up the pieces and move on gals/guys, its in the past and if we keep living in the past how can we live in present and think of the future?
"Life is one big road with lots of signs. So when you riding through the ruts, don't complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy. Don't bury your thoughts, put your vision to reality. Wake Up and Live! - Bob Marley"
"Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harms we do, we do to ourselves. - Mitch Albom"
--- End quote ---
yep its having a big impact on the community. it's time to just leave the conversation as it is. Muse cannot change the fact that asshole misoganists harass female player. They can however handle reports and issue warnings and bans, but international social injustice they cannot handle.
It's unfortunate that this happens, and I get that it is an unpleasant feeling that it is happening but this is what it is.
if you feel harassed ingame, block - report and stay away from that person, it goes all ways and that is what can be done about it in the first instance. but lydia mentioned something about her friends starting to become insulting towards women, take it up with them personally, true friends listen and respect eachothers lines.
Lydia Litvyak:
--- Quote from: Skrimskraw on September 23, 2014, 05:39:37 am ---
yep its having a big impact on the community. it's time to just leave the conversation as it is. Muse cannot change the fact that asshole misoganists harass female player. They can however handle reports and issue warnings and bans, but international social injustice they cannot handle.
It's unfortunate that this happens, and I get that it is an unpleasant feeling that it is happening but this is what it is.
if you feel harassed ingame, block - report and stay away from that person, it goes all ways and that is what can be done about it in the first instance. but lydia mentioned something about her friends starting to become insulting towards women, take it up with them personally, true friends listen and respect eachothers lines.
--- End quote ---
Then I guess I do not have many true friends on here, because for the most part when I have brought this up I have been blown off and told I'm silly for being uncomfortable with it. In a community where this kind of behavior is treated as just a joke and totally okay or not a big enough issue for other people to step in and support the people who are alienated by it no one feels the need to change their behavior just because one person was upset and decided to talk to them about it.
It looks like that is that, then. If a mod says it is time to stop talking then it is time to stop talking. I suppose the moderation team has concluded that this is not an issue that is worth doing anything more about and that the onus should remain on female players to report, block, and move on every time they are harassed, and that is what it is. I had hoped we could arrive at something different but I understand that if making players like me feel safe is not a top priority then it is not a top priority and your time is better spent on other things. I'm sorry for bringing this up.
Keyvias:
Hey Guys,
Want to jump in again. Just wanted to explain why Skrimskraw's post here is gone in case you saw it.
Skrimskraw was speaking from a player perspective and did not represent any views that Muse has. Due to any confusion especially with the CA tag the comment was removed.
As far as moderation goes the Muse Developers that go through every player report by hand. We take every issue seriously, from gender to race, to player privacy, any and all reports of player harassment are treated with the severity a war crimes trial. We treat everyone in the game equally and we don't care who, what, where you are, if you're in our skies and abide by our community standards you are important to us and worthy of protection, attention and service.
Please block and report those who are harassing players for any reason. We act on these reports and it is amazingly important to us that we keep catching, punishing, and removing players who want to make our skies emotionally unsafe for any person to be in.
If we could push back to the main topic (in my opinion, and correct me if I'm wrong) which is not is harassment happening or to what severity, but how can I, the dev team, or the people in this thread help. What ideas does anyone have that we can implement.
The reason I have taken such special interest in this thread is I want to know what the best way I can help those dealing with harassment.
To paraphrase Redria:
There are things we don't know that we don't know about.
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