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Lydia Litvyak:
I'm sorry skrim, I think you misread--the 14 year old misogynists bit is about dota's community, not goio's. And when I say I am disappointed I mean in the people I like who have decided to start ranting about how stupid BORG gaming night is in front of me, and in the people who have nodded along while they did so. If you have not done that, then I am not talking about you.

While I understand that moderation is difficult and I don't want mods to start being trigger-happy all the time, I do not understand what the purpose of having mods marked in-game is if they do not even have the power to kick a player who is loudly attacking women in front of them. Maybe there is just some lack of clarity in how and when reports are dealt with, but most of the time it feels like everything I send muse just goes off into the void and when I see the offending players again a few days later I have no idea if they have been warned or not.

One thing I will say is that I have had male players step in and tell harassers that their behavior is not acceptable a few times, and that is something I really appreciate.


--- Quote from: Dementio on September 19, 2014, 03:38:49 am ---Isn't there always a problem like this with certain parts of the male community online and even outside the internet? I do not belive one can get rid of these problems by addressing them only in this game since it is a rather general problem. As long as such a general social problem exists there will always be players in GoIO that follow the schema you have described.
Mods and CAs can only do so much (or can they?).


--- Quote from: Lydia Litvyak on September 18, 2014, 09:16:23 pm ---I'm going to be blunt here: I get catcalled, told to suck various parts of people's anatomy, and have graphic things said about my body more in goio than I do in dota.

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Perhaps GoIO simply attracts players that happen to do these things a bit more often than the dota people, just like it attracts players that simply don't do these things at all.

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Yes, this is a problem in general, and of course there will always be level ones hopping in from CoD to shout abuse after every sale. But that doesn't mean the community in general has to turn a blind eye to everything short of outright threats. When established players send rude PMs and publicly badmouth something as harmless as BORG gaming night it is very hard to trust a community that says nothing to them.

And if GoIO attracts sexists, then that is something we can and should try to fix.

To conclude: of course there will always be some awful level ones, and of course some people will always have ugly opinions. That is exactly what BORG gaming night is for. Making the entire community safe and respectful overnight is not possible, which is why we want an event where we can rely on safety and respect.

Queso:
I'm going to share this comic, because I think it's a helpful and positive description of how sexism manifests itself and what everyone can do to help prevent it.

http://www.robot-hugs.com/harassment/

Skrimskraw:
Wait hold on. Goio is not attracting sexists. Like quesos comment most of us just dony see it happen. And we are not denying that it does. However i have seen countless of situations where a player somehow provokes another player. Who responds with racial or  sexist slander. Im not saying that is ok, and im not saying that you are doing this  However as a mod usually this is the situation i meet. A whole lobby ganging up on some player to protect their clan mate or friend, usually by offending him aswell. Its everyone who has to behave. We have all done this and arent proud of it. Its just the easiest way to defend yourself is by attacking others feelings. I think the only option here is to strenghten the mod - muse relations so it gets handled Quick and efficient.

Keyvias:
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to jump in. I know this is a sensitive subject so if at any time I put my foot in my mouth feel free to call me out and let me know if you believe I'm looking at something the wrong way.
There are a few things I'm massively passionate about and harassment based on gender easily falls into that category.
What a lot of guys are saying has merit, it's the internet, people suck, ect ect, but that's something I've never been comfortable accepting. Reports based on unwanted sexual attention are given a lot focus since I truly want Guns of Icarus to be safe for all players (other than the explosions and destruction.)

I know that it is impossible to completely stop jerks from finding their way into the game and it's an unfortunate side effect that any positive press and player growth will also contain its fair share of assholes, but please block and report these guys. Most of them get one warning because they either leave or never get reported again. Trust me every report is manually handled so if you're reporting a human being is reading and investigating it.

As far as jerks on the forum, again reporting is the best way to get our eyes on it.

As a final note, I don't believe guys are monsters, I don't think Guns attract sexists, I think we attract people. Some people are great, some are terrible, some focus on how issues affect others, some focus on how issues affect only themselves. I do believe we can always do more to make the skies feel more safe and I think a discussion on the topic is not crazy nor unwarranted.
I also believe forums make people defensive and the best way to really talk to a person is through PM's and such, which I and any of the dev team are open to as well if there's something you think we should be doing more/less of.
That isn't to say don't chat about it on forums, just remember when you're writing that the other person probably is writing for an "audience" and not you directly. (Such as some of what I'm writing here)

Tanya Phenole:
Quick suggestion for some ladies in trouble while no true gentlemen around.
 
- Suck my pepperoni.
-  I prefer them sliced.

- Aren't you supposed to be on kitchen?
- I am. Have they invented wifi in your country yet?


The art of punching away wooing idiots is sophisticated, but very rewarding. Took me ages to realise, but now I am really happier then before. As long as I stopped treating myself a victim, the harassment stopped.  (I know my statements kinda smell with Tom Hobbes theories.) I love insulting back. I love men, who protect me from harassment, and I am not going to put "white knight" label on anyone who is just friendly to me.

Seriosly, the gender problem is giving such a tasty spice to boring engine repairs, do we really have to get rid of it?

Community - the actual community, constant players, - are quite nice guys indeed. None of those people who dared insulting female players in my presence are still playing on regular basis. It is not because I killed them, I promise.

 

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