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Swallox:
...Well it's good to see some people keeping an open mind.
IF (I will stress this again) IF it turns out to be a genuine problem rather than an occasional sneaky tactic, it will be disallowed in Season 2. However, if this turns out to be the counter to sniping teams, I am not going to remove it before the teams have had a fair chance to use it.
I am not willing to remove what could potentially be an interesting manuver because of knee-jerk reactions based on what certain people think might happen. I haven't seen anything yet to suggest to me that suiciding is going to be a widely exploited tactic.
And while we're on the subject, this DOES exist in other games. Anything from jumping off a building or leaping on your own grenade in an FPS to killing your own minions or even allied champions in MOBAs. It's called Denial, and it's been a part of gaming since some bright spark decided that he didn't quite want to give someone else a kill in quake or unreal tournament.
Exploiting a game's mechanics for the benefit of you or your team is usually wrong. The quick repair trick or the Ai fire extinguisher, for instance, are exploits because they're obviously underhanded and come with no visible downside... But suiciding a ship and denying a camping enemy a kill takes time and is inherently risky.
Until it is proven in-game that denial is not suitable for a GoIO match, I am not going to take action against the teams that might decide to use it. Much like tower diving in ARAM LoL, this is obviously a polarising issue that some teams have taken issue with... And if you find yourself in that position, it might be worth considering how and where your opponents may try to deny themselves. It could turn out that with a some foresight and a little moonshine, you could secure a kill from an attempted denial with a single round of gatling and turn that team's denial into a huge fail.
In short: Consider how this can benefit either side depending on the situation, and find a way to deal with it in-game rather than just screaming for it to be banned... Because I didn't ban mercs to curb sniping, I didn't ban artemis launchers when they were clearly broken... And until it's proven that denial is unsustainable for the competitive environment or Muse recode the game so that suicides are rendered useless and award the other team a kill anyway, I am not going to remove the option from The Cogs.
Shinkurex:
Knoxi, While I do understand your frustration, Please refrain from personal attacks, as it goes against our Code of conduct:
2. Trolling/Harassment
Trolling or harassment includes personal verbal attacks, insults, communicating or behaving in a manner which is offensively coarse, intimidating or threatening, making unwelcome sexual advances, or engaging in other activities intended or likely to cause disruption, annoyance or alarm. You may not harass, threaten, or troll other players or representatives of Muse Games.
I am removing your post for now...
~Shink
knoxi:
I apologise, I didn't realise stating the community standards or refering to my big shiney Junker was against the Community standards. I'II avoid making unwelcome sexual advances in future.
Machiavelliest:
I'm not convinced suiciding will be a widely-exploited tactic. I am very convinced it is an exploit, and that it is therefore an invalid tactic that has no place in the community. Whether it is 'widely' or 'occasionally' exploited is immaterial.
The narrow argument for having this tactic considered 'acceptable' is that it's a counter to sniping. In what way is that at all true? It denies the sniping team a kill, true, but the team suiciding doesn't gain a kill. They just run and die. As mentioned earlier by probably Smollett, it has the obvious conclusion of dragging an already long sniping match out further.
I would equate it to a beanball (which for those not familiar in baseball is intentionally hitting a batter with a pitch to walk them instead of allowing them to hit, usually used against powerful hitters). You might claim that, since the rules account for being hit by a pitch, it's a legitimate tactic. However, for intentionally beaning a batter, pitchers are ejected from games and fined large sums of money. Because it's unsportsmanlike, an 'exploit', and cheating in all reality. Just because it can be done in the construct of the game doesn't mean it should be, or should be tolerated.
Swallox:
--- Quote from: Machiavelliest on May 17, 2013, 01:23:52 pm --- I am very convinced it is an exploit
--- End quote ---
Therein lies the problem. I'm not convinced yet. The arguments I've heard against denial all go back to the same point. That "It's an exploit" or that "It's unsportsmanlike".
I'd say that flying around someone while spouting flame and harpoons into their airship is fairly unsportsmanlike, and as for it being an exploit, I addressed that above.
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