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Mean Machine:
Hello!

I haven't found topic about this, so I tought I'd make one.
One thing that kinda bothers me are new players (some of them haven't even finished tutorial) getting into advanced matches or however you call non-novice matches. I think that's a bad idea. It's bad for both sides really: "experienced" players probably don't want to spentd every 2nd match explaining  to engineers how to properly use tools and to gunners how and when to shoot etc etc.... and new players probably don't want to get destroy by experienced players either. I think it makes a lot of them ragequit or just get an impression that the game is too hard or matchmaking is unfair, so they quit, before they could actually learn the game and get to like it. I think that's really bad and we probably lost quite some players for that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy to help new players if I can, even tho i'm very new to game as well, but I wouldn't mind helping noobies, if they would ask me to get into sandbox with them and show them how stuff works. But I'm not really excited to explain stuff again and again, while I'm trying to do some more "serious" matches. It's also frustrating that most of these players won't give a single fluff about your orders/advises/suggestions while in match and a lot of them likes to quit mid-match.  ::)

EDIT: Forgot to mention my suggestion.. The most logical one to me would be restricting them to novice matches, until they get at least two roles to lvl 4?
What are your toughts about this?

Mod Josie:
While this is not a terrible idea in theory, in practice it takes on a whole new realm of inconvenience.
Many new players do skip the tutorials - hopefully that is going to be different soon - and so lack experience. However, if they find their way into an experienced crew that is patient enough to take them under their wing and teach them in a friendly environment, they're much more likely to stay and play more than someone who only plays novice matches and gets bored because they don't understand how to play.
Remember also that sometimes experienced players will encourage their friends to buy the game and join them. Forcing these two players to play apart until sufficient experience has been reached is just absurd. They would be restricted to hanging out in Sandbox. This game's social structure is one of the big factors towards its awesomeness (in my opinion).

Many experienced players with less time on their hands than me will often advise a new player to try a novice game over a regular game anyway. Whether that advice is headed or not is up to the player.

It is topics like these that ought to be discussed though. Matchmaking, upon its arrival, will change a lot about how someone gets into matches and finds crews their own speed. As such, everything is up for grabs in terms of debate about players and their experience.
More opinions - flow forth! :D

Mean Machine:
Yeah, I know Jacob, it should be like you said, but unfortunately I'm getting different experience :( First of all, it's a miracle if you convince crew to take right ammo. But ok, that's not the end of the world, but once we're in match and I want to get my gunner on that gatling and he doesn't responds to me... or having both front guns active on pyramidion is very rare occasion with noobies. I found myself facing an enemy without firing a single shot at them and dying few times already. :D
I told that engineer that armor is priority over side guns, but it doesn't help. I tried over voice comm and in chat. And of course there are many more other examples of them failing to listen. I know that's most likely because they are new and they probably don't know how important it is to get the right loadout and to things this way and that way...

They are there to try game out, to have fun, they are likely in "yolo" mode and that's it. I don't blame them and I'm not angry at them, but in my opinion it's really not good idea to allow absolutely new players join advanced matches. It's not just about experienced players, it's also bad for them - new players, like I said before. As much as GOI community is nice in general, there are still quite a few angry captains without manners and those would probably not take lightly enginners that would repair guns instead of armor (sorry I'm saying armor, because hull doesn't make sense to me to have two different hulls, perma and the one you can't repair...). I've heard captains yelling at noobies already unfortunely, it is something no game can avoid.

The main issue here is, that a lot of vets are trying to help new players, but like I said, players that barely got in game just don't listen, they don't know better, they don't know it's important to listen and that the right loadout will help a lot. It's not a problem if they don't know how to do stuff, it's a problem because they just won't listen. I can understand they don't like being told what to do imeediately they come into game to try it out. And that's exactly one reason why i think allowing advanced matches to new players is not the best idea.

That said, you might be right that my suggestion is maybe a bit too strict, but i feel like at least something should be done. Maybe pop-up message for every time low level player tries to join advanced match? It could warn him like "Please be advised that you're attempting to enter advanced match, where you will fight experienced players. It is recommended that you join novice matches, until you reach level 4 in at least one role".

EDIT: I know people will say I'm bad captain if I can't make them to listen, but I told them simple and clear. Gunner (and his name) can you please get on right front gun?  No, he prefer to stand next to me and hit me with wrench or repair already repaired armor.  :D

Mod Josie:
Your opinion is not unjustified in that respect. There are players out there that simply don't listen and can make life very difficult for captains and crewmates alike. I agree that there are bad apples out there - it's an unavoidable consequence of the game's being available to everyone who pays a few bucks - but do not despair. :P
If you have tried to reach out a player and they haven't listened, hopefully others will try to reach out and eventually they will get the message. This doesn't happen for everyone, but it's their first steps to GoIhood, and we should humour their curiosity.

You'll probably be interested to check out the new matchmaking system that Muse is working on. It will send less experienced players into brackets which are less likely to coincide with a player who is incredibly experienced. The basic details on the matchmaking system and the crux of the discussion can be found here.

Mean Machine:
Thank you for replies, Jacob. I can't access that link you provided, but it's good to know Muse is working on better matchmaking :)
I hope no one read my post the wrong way and think I'm complaining or something. I'd just like balanced matches, because those are most enjoyable  :P

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