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Squidslinger Gilder:
Harem animes have really gone down hill over the last decade. Most of them that air, within the first 5-10 mins, I can figure out who is going to be the lead girl. Then they throw in a ton of girls thinking it is confusing you when really all of them are so tropey that you just can ignore them. Then you have the ones where they have a beautiful story and character interactions and they ruin it by throwing in a wild girl who breaks up every scene with groping. Ai Yori Aoshi is the best example of this. First 5 episodes are gold. Then they add the "american" wild girl who gropes everyone. Series totally loses it's charm after that.
Think theres only been one harem series in the last few years which caught me offguard. It was based on a VN I think but the anime they did a total twist by the mid point. The lead girl had almost no screen time and then this other anime vet girl got all of it and it was sealed. It was somewhat sloppy because they invested so heavily in the lead's character, but then they went the opposite way with it towards the end. So in a way it was surprising but in another way, kind of a waste of time in the first half.
Course its not much better with female lead harems. There has been some gems but more often than not, they're just as terrible. I swore off giving them a chance after the last one I saw where literally if you watched episode 1 and 12, you wouldn't miss anything. They spent 10 episodes on pointless crap and her clear pick was the first guy she meets. Course it was more of a supernatural action series so there was something to keep interest. However, the bad guys were so OP they'd never finish the job. They'd attack, be about to accomplish their goal, then get bored or something and leave the protagonists to recover. The story in those 10 episodes went through this cycle of getting ass kicked, then macho confidence building time, then ass kicked again. When I saw the show got a 2nd season I was like...no fing way am I going to give that any chance! People said season 2 was better and not as bad as the first but I was more like...why the hell did it even get a season 2?
Arturo Sanchez:
Genre vs Author skill
I read a huge variety of genres. Even Yaoi (though they are kinda boring-fujoshi are such boring writers).
The only measure of skill in a writer is when your story seems to be without genre. When its such a nebulous story that you can't pin it down.
And usually the cycle goes, this story is founded as a new genre in and of itself.
Minecraft for example or the zombie genre.
However such things only occur very rarely as it comes into two issues.
1. appealing to an audience. unfamiliarity sometimes makes it hard for a reader to understand or find the hook, or even for a writer to craft a good one. Tropes lure in readers, it lures in aspect of thing people like in a story (not necessarily genre but maybe aspects of them). Complete lack of them denies yourself a readership.
2. direction. Many attempts into this pioneering can actually result into nothing as the direction isn't clear and result into stepping into your own toes.
So to answer your harem complaint gilder, what you should be looking for is not the genre, but the appeal of the synopsis to you. Thinking in genres limits your range in stimuli. Use genres as a point of origin as opposed to a point of destination.
e.g. evangelion rebuild is a harem anime because of all the jail bait(as well as cougars) all over shinji ikari.
saying so ignores what else the anime is. It has harem aspects, but you can't just say its a harem story just because it has a harem attribute.
Squidslinger Gilder:
Ya know what was funny awhile back...there was a survey of anime in Japan. The top things people hated were just about all the major anime tropes. I was surprised a little by it because when you see things used consistently, you know there is marketing behind it which leads you to believe that people there all like it. Fanservice shows always look like money grabs because they'll reuse old gags constantly. Made me think,"wow, people there actually are getting tired of the same stuff I am!"
Yeah the better shows are the ones which can cross genre. But what I really hate are the ones which clearly are copies of another and rely completely on certain tropes to get viewers. Then what is worse, is those shows get a US release ahead of shows which were so much better. Going on a decade now and we still haven't gotten a release of Lovely Complex here yet copy trope shows do.
Fairy Tail has been crossing over into this territory. They've gotten writers which are using trope after trope and it is clear they are doing it to keep viewers. Which there is no point to. The show was good without needing that. It was an action battle series. It got viewers without any effort because of that. But they stop sequences all the time now to showcase Lucy in a bikini (again) or another cast member in a moe shot (again)...######!!!! Stop it you bottom feeding , waste of oxygen, writers!!!
Arturo Sanchez:
--- Quote from: Gilder Unfettered on December 31, 2014, 03:51:07 pm ---Ya know what was funny awhile back...there was a survey of anime in Japan. The top things people hated were just about all the major anime tropes. I was surprised a little by it because when you see things used consistently, you know there is marketing behind it which leads you to believe that people there all like it. Fanservice shows always look like money grabs because they'll reuse old gags constantly. Made me think,"wow, people there actually are getting tired of the same stuff I am!"
Yeah the better shows are the ones which can cross genre. But what I really hate are the ones which clearly are copies of another and rely completely on certain tropes to get viewers. Then what is worse, is those shows get a US release ahead of shows which were so much better. Going on a decade now and we still haven't gotten a release of Lovely Complex here yet copy trope shows do.
Fairy Tail has been crossing over into this territory. They've gotten writers which are using trope after trope and it is clear they are doing it to keep viewers. Which there is no point to. The show was good without needing that. It was an action battle series. It got viewers without any effort because of that. But they stop sequences all the time now to showcase Lucy in a bikini (again) or another cast member in a moe shot (again)...######!!!! Stop it you bottom feeding , waste of oxygen, writers!!!
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It seems you're mistaking writers for producers. They have the money so they have control of whatever content goes into it.
Arturo Sanchez:
decided to finally try out mahou shoujo madoka despite the horrifying anatomy.
Oh dear god so much lesbian undertone. And not the cool kind like magical lyrical nanoha.
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