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1.3.6 Harpoon Changes

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Queso:
Hmm, mines. There's an idea for a side of a pyra. Harpoon and mines.

Dutch Vanya:

--- Quote from: Queso on May 01, 2014, 04:48:33 pm ---Hmm, mines. There's an idea for a side of a pyra. Harpoon and mines.

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Clearly you mean the front of a pyra.

Dementio:

--- Quote from: Queso on May 01, 2014, 04:48:33 pm ---Hmm, mines. There's an idea for a side of a pyra. Harpoon and mines.

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Won't work, trust me on this one.


And I too thing that the reload time is just too devastating. Especially when you want to harpoon from a longer range, the chance to miss is high enough already, especially on Junker's hull and against Squids manouverbility.
Also, from a logical point of view: Why would you want to harpoon somebody to close the distance between the two of you, if your target already IS close to you?
Ramming pyra aside (which is literally every pyra in the game, harpoon or not), a shorter reload time would allow this gun to be used against medium/long range ships without the already high risk of falling prey to the endless sniping and ultimately dying on the spot, since you have to expose yourself and yada yada. If you could hit with the harpoon, it could render the longer range ship either useless or helpless against your own close range barrage. And it wouldn't even be too powerful either, since you still have to hit and gun disable through artemis or merc isn't rare either.

Currently the harpoon is not even a utility weapon. It's even less worth than that. It's a gun that has only 2 scenarios:
- Miss with the harpoon and fail, which might end in ship destruction
- Hit with the harpoon and ram, which might end in ship destruction

I tryed using this gun on a Spire, I really did try to reel the enemy in. What happened was that the weird pyhsics kicked in instantly, turned me the wrong way, thus losing some gun arc and moving towards the enemy instead of the enemy moving towards me.
What am I supposed to do with this? I can't hit from long range and in close range it's less usefull than a beacon flare, because I know that 10 stacks of fire don't throw my ship around.

Next thing is, I don't get the fear of "harpoon abuse". What about the carronade? It can shred a balloon and keep an entire ship disabled without too much trouble if the carronade pilot has the ship and the skill for it. Neither drouge chute or impact bumpers will save you from that either. How is harpoon worse? You push the enemy around and have him be 1m away from your face, congratz. And Mines are utility weapons too, you know? Like the beacon flare, it can be used offensively, only with more effect, if executed succesfully.

TD;DR
- The Harpoon is the best weapon for suicide bombers
- The Harpoon was never fixed and, personally, less fun than before

Dutch Vanya:
Yesterday i was using the harpoon on the side of the galleon, There was a metamidion trying to kill us, as he was slightly angled i harpooned his engines, and it turned him away from us, taking his guns off arc and allowing us to finish him off.

Point being it is far more useful than before and still a work in progress.

Richard LeMoon:
You can not compare the harpoon to the flare as a 'utility' gun. It simply is not the same. As I have stated before, the flare is a fire and forget weapon. It does not really matter if it hits, and you never build a valid strategy around it.

The harpoon is the opposite, as it effects YOUR ship as much as the enemy. It has a specific use, and failure to use it correctly will end in defeat. It needs careful planning and timing with a super strong pull, and needs a dedicated strategy built around its use. The only other gun with a long reload that you need to plan around (the flare is not one), is the hwacha. The difference is that the hwacha is worth the wait, and firing it does not have the possibility of messing up your own ship.

Building a strategy around a long reload, super strong harpoon is simply not worth it for the off chance that you might turn a ship around or whatever. It is a high risk, minimal reward gun as it is. Previously, it was a low risk, minimal reward gun.

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