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GreyTea:
There is kinda a mini map already in the game,

on the top of the screen where the bar for compass is the opposing ships appears as blips on the compass i believe this is very useful as it tells you the general direction when they are not in visual also you have the aid of battle drums that tell you that the opposing ships are in your proximity,

This adds to the environment and feel for the game, you are entering the canyon and the clouds roll in no one has a spot, then you hear the slow rhythmic drums, alerting you of danger,
*am assuming mini map would only work after being spotted*.  So there is already a feature in the game that makes it so easy that some want it removed, You call for eyes out knowing they are close, spotted northeast you look  that way and there is a blip on the compass now telling you the direction *without  hud clutter in a corner blocking precious vision imagine all the complaints about a blind spot*..  and the blip turns from solid to an outline if you lose visual so you have the last known location,

So with all that being said a mini map is not needed at all you have all the tools already, spyglass for visual spotting, drums in case you haven't spotted and they are close, and blips on the compass if you do manage to spot,  explain to them the featured you have without pressing tab, lets not mention the full screen map that takes a a fraction of a second to look at, valuable time but worth it, i would rather have a second of tab map *yes i know the lockup* to get more detail of pinpoint position than more clutter i do not need for feature i already have and is not an improvement,

People are new so they well not go off instinct knowing the maps the routes people take weather to go high or low, stick close communicate tell there crew load outs and positions, it comes with practice playing the game being a pilot is not for everyone and those who have flew a long time am sure would never call it easy. so think back to when you started how many mistakes where made how many matches lost, then think of well i started telling people what to bring asking about weapons to take, and how you naturally became one of the most insightful players in the game, and you help new players and old i know over the time i have played you have shown me plenty of things so i am not questioning your experience or knowledge of the game and i know everything i said above you already know, but people do not learn how to be good at the game in 1 match, especially piloting, level does not equal skill is a common thing said now but imho i don't think it ever did it is matches played and time spent.

TLDR: Minimap clutter that is not needed.we have better implements already,

Tropo:
coldcourse i don't think you have spent engouth time on the game to be commenting

over the last day i had beteen 8 and 10 people come up and say they thought it was a good idea but they didn't wanna post because it was cleanly a place for people to have a go and rage tropo

make none to little sence to try and rage me or put me down

i have never seen coldcourse in game i asume you are just a bad fourm troll i would rather if you don't post crap about me in future

to clean up the noob commenr coldcoure you are a fucking noob fuck off

Milevan Faent:
As this is now a flamer topic, I think it's time we all asked for this to just get closed.

Rainer Zu Fall:
Guys, please calm down. Let's stay focused on the facts, don't get emotional about it. It's a game and you just have different opinions, end of story. No need to insult, rage or swear.
Please stay on topic.

Ariden:
Hmm, good points Coldcurse. However I have a few questions about the points you make.

I know you value communication as I have seen from reading your previous posts however some thing you don't seem to understand is that the captain requires self-assurance and direction in order to fly confidently. The captain often makes the critical decisions and plans: rather than having someone on their crew scream "TURN LEFT, THERE'S ANOTHER SHIP BESIDE US!" It is the captain who uses logic and planning, and although the crew members can participate (of course), they are ultimately and usually not the ones who follow the decision-making process. I'm not sure if you have been in a real competitive match such as us SAC members have, but this is a perfect example of decision-making being key among the captains. We gather everyone in a party HOWEVER it is only the captains who are allowed to speak - and the crewmates only under strenuous conditions. Why is this? Because crewmates are mostly specialized, not in captaining, but in engineering and gunning. It is the captains who have experience, who know what to do under what conditions. It is the gunner who knows what ammo to bring for a certain gun. It is a engineer who knows what to buff and what to fix with priority.

Moving on. You seem to think that a mini-map would consist of exactly the same that a normal map pressing the M button would consist of. My suggestion is that the mini map wouldn't consist of tiny dots you would need to squint to see. Rather, it would contain a basic overview of the map where the ships are obviously shown and can be easily detected to the naked eye. Secondly, you seem to think that a minimap would be able to show every ship at all times. A minimap would show only the ships that are spotted. I'd appreciate it if you would consider a redesigned map as an additional implement to the game.

Also, in response to GreyT - and this is just a suggestion - perhaps there can be an option where you can disable it on and off as the ratio of captains who think it is a good idea is 50/50? Personally I would love to give it a try, it is not needed in my case however I can see that it would be useful to save time. Obviously a plan can be previously made by pressing M, but in a situation where you are actually attacking the enemy it is good to know which way their ships are turning, as I have been in many encounters where a situation has changed in the blink of an eye and I was too distracted with helm tools and such to realize it.


--- Quote ---As this is now a flamer topic, I think it's time we all asked for this to just get closed.
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Please do not presume such things, obviously this topic got off on the wrong foot but I think Tropo has made some very insightful posts and I would love for other players to consider them, rather than people trying to mock him for his attempt to help this be a better game. Thank you!

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