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Mr. Ace Rimmer:
I too like the idea of Bo1 double elimination. However, perhaps that is best for another tournament as to ask Urz to redraw the brackets now for a double elimination just seem a little bit selfish of us considering the work already put in.

On that note though, I'm struggling to see why we have two top seed matches in round one with a second seed exclusive match. Surely it was possible to have only one set of top seeds facing each other in R1.

Imagine:
I mean as for group stages you already had double elimination. No need to bring the teams back for fairness sake.

N-Sunderland:

--- Quote from: Mr. Ace Rimmer on March 24, 2014, 06:42:38 pm ---On that note though, I'm struggling to see why we have two top seed matches in round one with a second seed exclusive match. Surely it was possible to have only one set of top seeds facing each other in R1.

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Fully agreed. To me it looks like E2 is actually a better seed than E1 because of all that.

Thomas:
I wouldn't mind sacrificing some time to use my sub-par GIMP skills to redraw the brackets. Actually might do it for fun anyways now. xD

Not sure what you mean by the top seed and second seed stuff.

As far as I can tell it would be to cut down on the number of matches in R1, since they're currently slated for best of three. Which could mean up to 12 matches, with only two or so being steamed at a time. If you bring in all the teams at once, that'd be up to 18 matches. Already it's stretched pretty thin.

I think it was set the way it was for the time constraints as well as some fairness. the X2 teams have already lost one match, where the X1 teams haven't. However, the E group fought more matches than the other groups (or at least E2 will).


Now if it was switch to best of one, you cut down the possible number of matches by 3. So we'd only have 4 matches in R1, and only 2 in R0. Which should conclude fairly rapidly, and opens up the possibility of adding back in the 'lower bracket'  to keep the party hopping.

That being said, with some teams already dropping out, and some more likely to drop out, and the weird size of group E; creating a lower bracket would be both a hassle, and probably have to be done after the next group matches. I'm still for it, and will probably draw up some concepts after next weekend, but I can completely understand not including for the sake of simplicity.

Urz:
Bracket seeding was created with the following conditions:

"1" seeds get seeded into round 1
"2" seeds get seeded into round 0
"E2" is upgraded to a "1" seed since they potentially have to play additional matches to advance
No two teams from the same group will play in the bracket before the finals


As for best of ones in the bracket stage, there are two primary reasons that will not happen. The first is that I will not change the structure of a tournament after it has already started (an exception would be made if the tournament would otherwise be cancelled or not finish). Teams have played matches with the understanding that they will either advance or be eliminated during the group stage. To change that after such determinations have already been made would compromise the fairness of the event; in this case it would be a decision biased towards the teams who were eliminated last weekend.

Secondly (and something which has already been brought up in this thread), a best of one can easily be decided by a game bug, advantageous map roll, or a single mistake. "Best of three" format mitigates those scenarios, none of which are good for the state of competition. This is the reason all my events have been Bo3 in bracket stage despite Bo1 being the precedent prior to CeSports, and since Sky League is intended as a high level competition to determine who is the best in the game, matches in bracket stage would be Bo3 regardless.

That being said, a thought I had after Saturday's matches was that if the smaller weekly events return (eg Sunday Rumble), they could be best of one. As they are lower stakes and you can just sign up for the next week if you're eliminated, it would be a reasonable compromise to increase turnout and reduce the fatigue of all involved.

Feedback is definitely welcome, as if there is another season of Sky League, it will certainly go through some changes then.

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