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Regarding the Regarding the structure of the next Competitive Season
Velvet:
--- Quote from: Omniraptor on December 02, 2013, 04:56:37 pm ---I think sammy's idea for percentage penalty on point income of large clans is pretty nice/simple/easy to implement, and I don't really see any flaws. We'd have to work on the precise math, but a system of diminishing point returns for additional teams in a clan sounds appealing.
edit: that came out really awkward, but the idea is to subtract a fraction of points from bigger clans.
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Problem there is it doesn't totally eliminate all issues. What about large clans that don't field a number of teams in proportion to their size, but still are able to scrimmage more regularly than others? I think since there's not a way of properly and fairly quantifying clan size and how that manifests itself as an advantage, it's not really something that should be penalised.
I also don't agree that clan size is the only issue with the current design - what about clans who are restricted by timezones or limitations on free time from regular scrimmaging, do they deserve to be sidelined regardless of their actual ability?
Byron Cavendish:
I haven't read through everything so can someone answer me this: why can't any team register clan or not? If a clan has two teams there are treated as completely separate entities. Really what is the fear in this? Why is there a rule even prohibiting it? It seems like the last draft was making rules for the sake of making rules. The Gents are training a second team as we speak and we treat their training as if they will be our opponents.
DMaximus:
--- Quote from: Byron Cavendish on December 02, 2013, 06:52:36 pm ---I haven't read through everything so can someone answer me this: why can't any team register clan or not? If a clan has two teams there are treated as completely separate entities. Really what is the fear in this? Why is there a rule even prohibiting it? It seems like the last draft was making rules for the sake of making rules. The Gents are training a second team as we speak and we treat their training as if they will be our opponents.
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I've always found that bit to be silly. If the Ducks want to register as a clan, let them. If the Gents want to register as two separate teams, they should be allowed to. You just have to have some kind of substitution rule in place that makes sure they're not the same team while not being stupidly restrictive.
Skrimskraw:
Do we need to find out who the greatest clan in goio are? or do we want to find out who has the greatest team?
I'm just asking, cuz I don't care if its the ducks, gents, mm, dutchmen or whatever. What I'd love to see are teams playing with eachother competitively and if they meet a clanmate in battle. thats too bad but somebody has to lose.
Do we want a contest about who has the better clan?
If thats the case wouldn't you want to settle for a vanity scoring system for clans that is seperate from the team leaderboard?
I'm looking at these rules and the further down I come the more my head just starts hurting over all these rules and exceptions to 2vs2 battles.
Velvet:
--- Quote from: Skrimskraw on December 03, 2013, 11:18:37 am ---Do we need to find out who the greatest clan in goio are? or do we want to find out who has the greatest team?
I'm just asking, cuz I don't care if its the ducks, gents, mm, dutchmen or whatever. What I'd love to see are teams playing with eachother competitively and if they meet a clanmate in battle. thats too bad but somebody has to lose.
Do we want a contest about who has the better clan?
If thats the case wouldn't you want to settle for a vanity scoring system for clans that is seperate from the team leaderboard?
I'm looking at these rules and the further down I come the more my head just starts hurting over all these rules and exceptions to 2vs2 battles.
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well if the season is going to rank teams in order, then it would be preferable for the clans to be in order of "greatness" rather than some other arbitrary figure, yes. If you don't want a winner or scoring, then it's not at all clear what you could want out of an organised competitive system - unless you're arguing for the whole thing to be abandoned.
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