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Aboard a Spire
« on: March 10, 2013, 04:33:20 pm »
Ahoy!

I see you've been following in the wake of the Solace. Well, you won't just always find me captaining there to tell you of the glory of Austria, but sometimes I'll engineer on the Flying Adventure. Captain Drogvaethor's Spire. I tell you, I nearly fell overboard laughing when he first told me that he was going to fly that "big tower-like-ship", and had secured some victories with it already. That was a while ago already, and while we still have regular arguments about how awful the Flying Adventure looks like in comparisation to the Solace, I find myself reluctantly bowing to the Spire. It probably takes a while to learn to fly it right, but it excels in the hand of a captain that cares for it. You won't make yourself a name for fancy maneuvers with the Spire, but for careful planning, strategy and cunning. Don't take the Spire lightly, it's a tacticians tool and excels at that.


Ship Stats and Resilience





Hull Health: 500
Hull Armor: 650
Balloon Health: 1200
Acceleration: 1.2 m/s²
Radial Acceleration: 3.7 deg/s²
Vertical Acceleration: 2.9 m/s²
Max Speed: 26.5 m/s
Max Turn Speed: 12.8 deg/s
Max Vertical Speed: 10.5 m/s
Mass: 170,000 t
Hull Profile: 1377 M²
Balloon Profile: 992 M²

Speed
Careful here, Spire's aren't meant to be chasing around other ships. You're a threat, but not one to stalk after that ship in front of you over half of the map while giving up cover and exposing yourself. It's speed matches that of a Junker, but every other ship, including the Galleon, is faster. Move out of danger with your engines, or use them to bring you in a favorable long range position to wreak havoc on your enemies over half of the map. Much like the Galleon, a Spire doesn't need to be moved much in favorable circumstances. Still, given your slow speed, it might be better to fight it out in close quarters when you find yourself attacked on close range, than try to fly away. In the best, and not so unusual case, you'll snipe your enemies from afar though.


Hull
Don't rely on your hull to take too much of a beating. One good hit of a mallet and it's nearly up fully again, which makes it very quick and efficient to repair, but also forces one engineer to constantly watch out for it. It makes for a very easy target, because of it's huge hitbox. Vertically it's very difficult to miss a Spire's hull. Horizontally, it has a slender profile, like a Goldfish or Junker, but again, you can't move sideways fast enough to make good use of that. Take cover whenever you're able to, clouds, debris, rocks. If you've just got your balloon visible and your front gun at the top operational, you'll be able to do some damage already. Other than that, a Gatling will make quick process of your Hull Armor, and so will a Mercury. While it's Hull Health isn't all that bad though, try to not rely on the Spire taking huge amounts of damage. It's fragile.


Balloon
Your balloon can take some beating, and this will be crucial for movement with the Spire. Considering you can't strafe left and right like faster ships, you'll have to go for up and down and make the enemies shots pass right trough under or above you, or hit the balloon where it doesn't hurt you so much. Still, this requires high doses of Hydrogen and Chute Vent, that will in turn damage your balloon. In any case, you're in charge of the whole process on the top deck of the spire: You can apply the relevant captain's tools at the helm, step back from it while you're flying higher, and give the balloon a quick hit with the mallet. Or ask your top engineer to take care of it when the top gun reloads.


Engines
The Main/Accelerating Engine is a little tricky, because it's halfway down the Ship, next to nothing. It is possible to give it a quick hit with the Mallet whenever one passes by, but Engineers will mostly be using the ladder on the Spire to quickly alternate between the Turning Engines next to the Hull at the lowest section of the Ship, and the Balloon on top of it.  The Turning Engines are thus very easy to take care of, easy to be fixed while waiting for the repair cooldown on the Hull. The Main/Accelerating Engine will have to be served by someone stepping down from the top deck.

Guns
All the gun positions of the Spire are very close to the Hull, so they'll often soak the AOE damage from enemy fire. If things are dire, expect to have the medium guns all around your hull to not be operating and keep a close eye on their status before you turn your side-flamer or carronade around to get rid of that nasty Pyramidion that's going to ram you. However, the Spire comes with 3 Light Guns and 1 Heavy Gun.
Top Deck: 1 light gun facing front (together with the heavy gun at the lower deck), 1 light gun facing starboard.
Middle Deck: 1 light gun facing port, one heavy gun facing front (together with the light gun at the top deck)

Now that's quite clear: Your front guns are meant for offense. Putting something defensive, short range on top would be a waste. You can do incredible amounts of damage if you use the heavy gun at the middle deck and the light gun at the front deck. Think of synergy and damage types that work together well or can disable parts of the enemy ship well on their own on long or middle range. A easy example is coupling a Mercury Field Gun with a Typhoon Heavy Flak. The Mercury destroys the enemies armor, the Flak tears trough their Health once the armor is gone. Works the same way if you replace the Mercury with a Gatling, but needs a much closer range. Similarly, you can destroy a enemy Balloon with 3 hits from a Lumberjack and then destroy their Armor with the Mercury while they're crashing into the ground. Long range is where the Spire is best, bring ships down before they've even got a chance to spot.

The port and starboard guns are a different matter. Given that the Spire is amazingly quick to turn, you will always have a chance to aim your front guns at the enemy and hardly have to rely on the medium guns to do your offensive work. Still, your front guns may be rendered useless up close, depending on your setup. (Lumberjack and Flak have a arming time, if it isn't reached the damage is greatly reduced - you won't reach it shooting at a ship directly in front of you, they'll be ineffective. A Heavy Carronade is only effective at medium ranges and mostly you won't want to get up that close. For a Hwacha you'd have to get even closer, even if it offers wonderful protection in close quarters.)
Personally I find that the port and starboard guns on the Spire can either be used to complement long range firing, for instance by putting a Beacon Light Flare Gun at the starboard slot and thus making it impossible for other ships to hide, but are much better suited for close quarter defense. Flamers and Carronades should do well to busy enemy ships that get too close, although note that a flamer will not be a threat for a experienced crew, and that a captain with a Drogue Chute can take the effect of a popped balloon much lighter. The Spire isn't really made for close combat with it's fragile hull. Have the enemy come to you, and snipe him down on the way. Works much better!

Of course I don't want to talk you out of your Hwacha and Gatling Spire, but the chance that you can sneak up on a enemy ship unnoticed is rather small.

Note that Lesmok Rounds can increase accuracy on long range!

Examples on Loadouts




Top Deck:
  • 1 Light Gun: Starboard
  • 1 Light Gun: Front
Middle Deck:
  • 1 Light Gun: Port
  • 1 Heavy Gun: Front

The Spire's role is somewhat predefined. In close combat, it can act as a support ship with it's multitude of weaponry, but that would be limiting what it can truly achieve a lot. It's not exactly a predator moving around the map, but a sniper hiding between some debris or just at the edge of some clouds. It can't take much damage, and it's too slow to dance around enemy ships and keep them from hitting. Thus, it has to go for long range sniping. If I know that I've got a skilled Spire behind me, I'm not afraid to advance straight on on two enemy ships. Chances are that the Spire will disable one of them even before I'm in reach.

Still, there's a rather fine selection of long range weaponry to allow for several viable Spire builds, and especially if you get caught up in close quarters with it your light weaponry will make a huge difference.

The Spire excels when you have both your front weapons, in this case the Mercury Field Gun and the Typhoon Heavy Flak Cannon pointed at one target. Choose weaponry that can disable different components of the ships on it's own to keep the enemy engineers busy at their posts, or maximize a single damage type to quickly tear away important parts of the enemy ship. ( e.g. ; Step 1, take the armor down with the Mercury Field Gun, Step 2, shoot their unprotected hull to pieces with the Flak)

A working loadout should be the following:

Top Deck Front Gun: Mercury Field Gun
Top Deck Starboard Gun: Barking Dog Light Carronade
Middle Deck Port Gun: Dragon Tongue Light Flamethrower
Middle Deck Front Gun: Typhoon Heavy Flak Cannon

It's simple and effective, mentioned above already. New Gunners might have trouble with the Mercury Field Gun, but it's usually easy to fit in and rewarding to work with. The Flak is only effective at long ranges, and it doesn't do a tremendous amount of damage to a ships armor, that's why the Field Gun complements it just perfectly. Both weapons allow for shooting over half of the map and have a rather clear firing arc. As long as the ship is held still, and that'll be the case half of the time if things are going good, gunners should have no problems hitting their respective targets.

Let's have a look on the single guns and their tasks on their respective positions:




Top Deck Front Gun: The Mercury Field Gun is able to destroy most armors with 2 concussive shots. Evenly important is it's ability to destroy most other components with 1 to 2 shots as well. You've got a Goldfish approaching you on long range? Aim your Mercury on it and destroy their front gun. A ship's fleeing from you, searching cover? Take out their Engines.

Top Deck Starboard Gun: There we've got a Light Carronade for defensive use. It takes down balloons fairly quick, about 2 clips of it should bring the enemy ship in trouble. The reasoning behind putting the Light Carronade on the Top deck is that from this position it'll be able to shoot at enemy ships above and under the Spire, giving the Spire time to get to a little better position while the enemy ship is busy trying not to crash into the ground.

Middle Deck Front Gun: That's the tool for finishing the job. The Mercury Field Gun on the top deck softens up the enemy ship either by making them unable to move or attack by shooting their components, or straight chipping away their hull. As the explosive damage of the Flak is especially good against Hull Health, it's a very satisfying combination.

Middle Deck Port Gun: A flamer. Not a very good weapon against experienced crews, but I find it still proves a minor distraction any event. The reasoning behind this is that if a ship is that low on us, they've got their front guns aimed at our hull and barely a chance to miss. A carronade could still pop their balloon from here, but I'd sooner try to disable their guns and ships with some flames. A rocket launcher might also work for that, but I don't trust them that much yet.

The loadout of a Spire, at least the Light Guns for the sides have been tough choices for me. In my opinion they are more for defensive work, because a Spire turns fast enough to give it's front guns a good fire solution, but I've seen other captains including them successfully in offense, especially with popping balloons. That requires to be much closer to the enemy though, and for me that's not where I'd like the Spire to have. Of course, you may come to different conclusions on it, and I'm sure that the Spire has many varieties to offer that work just as good and have slipped from my vision so far. Don't take my words on the Spire for a Bible, try to understand my concept and loadout, and then try to find your own way with it.


Engineering on a Spire

Engineering on a Spire is fun. It's a beautiful ship to run around on, it doesn't look very gracious from the outside, but it certainly has a nice interior. You'll begin to like that spiral staircase, trust me!

Given that it is a very fragile ship and all of it components are fairly close to the Hull, it'll suffer heavily from AOE damage and even more heavily from having it's hull exposed. It's a tough job keeping a Spire alive in a firefight, but very catching. Up the ladder to the top deck, give the balloon a hit with the mallet, quickly rush to the starboard gun to shoot a salute to the passing enemy.


Top Deck:
  • Helm (Not a component, strictly speaking..)
  • Balloon
  • Front Light Gun
  • Starboard Light Gun

That's where a good part of the action takes place. Here's the Captain, close to his sturdiest maneuvering tool on the Spire, the Balloon. If things aren't too dire, you can usually expect your Captain to take some care of the balloon. However, as the Gunner will usually sit in the Heavy Gun it's usually one of the Engineers firing the Top Front Gun. Make best use of it as long as your ship isn't in trouble, it's very important for the Spire to have both guns firing. If you're in a very good position and don't plan on leaving, chances are that the Captain takes a turn on firing the Top Guns too. If you need to get down to the hull, you can jump down the ladder with some practice. It's possible to get stuck in it at the end though, so watch out!

Middle Deck
  • Front Heavy Gun
  • Port Light Gun

Whenever I had to be on this deck, things were going bad. We were either under heavy fire and our Heavy Gun destroyed by it, or we had enemies on two sides, which forced me to take Port Light Gun to fend them off. In any case, this deck can be quickly reached by running up the staircase next to the hull. Remember that the Hull of the Spire is quite fragile though, so you might sooner ask another engineer to take care of the guns on the middle deck and stay at the hull.

Bottom Deck
  • Hull
  • Turning Engines
One engineer should almost constantly hang around here. The hull of the Spire is quick to repair, but almost as quickly shot down again. There's no flying around with half of the hull repaired on a Spire, that's just too dangerous. You'll still experience long periods of just hopping around the ship doing nothing, because if the Spire has a got a suitable position, it might just snipe every enemy down that tries to approach it. The turning Engines are very easy to reach though, and if you're needed on the Top Deck for a shootout you can access it easily with the ladder.


The Spire is unforgiving if you're not fast enough. Once you're in a firefight, parts of it will constantly take damage, and by parts I mean quite everything aboard the ship. Any AOE hit to the Spire's Hull is bound to inflict some damage on components. If the Captain helps out with the balloon and the Gunner takes care of his own guns, it won't be all that stressful though. Buffing isn't a very big topic on the Spire, because you can't cure it's lack of speed that easily with buffing it's engines. Buffing the hull is of tremendous importance, of course, and buffing the guns is as usual, a boon. If you're more into relaxing though, bring a Mallet instead of the Buffing Kit. Considering how often the components will at least be somewhat damaged, you'll have a much easier time with just hitting them once and moving on.

Gunning on a Spire



On your left, that's what we call the middle deck. Consisting of the portside gun and the heavy gun, I recommend this to be the best place for the Gunner. The Heavy Gun should be your tool of choice, and if you take care of both the guns on this deck, you'll save the Engineers some trouble. However, down here you'll have to work in unison with whoever mans the front gun at the top of the ship, only then the Spire does the damage it's supposed to do. You'll often see shots coming from the top deck towards what you're aiming at, so you'll perfectly know when your counterpart on the top deck is doing it's job or not.

It's very likely that the guns will just be divided - The two on the top deck manned by one Engineer and maybe the Captain, and the two on the middle deck by a Gunner. Your Captain or Crew might have different wishes on this one, so make sure to ask. But generally, just sit in the heaviest gun on the Ship and do what you can do best!

Remember that, depending on the Loadout your Captain has chosen, your effectiveness might decrease the closer your target gets. Heavy Flak and Lumberjack have a arming time, if this arming time isn't reached those weapons do less damage. In the event of a enemy ship being very close, and you having a Flak or Lumberjack, it might be a good idea to switch to one of the sidearms until you're in minimum reach again.

(Reached 20.000 Words limit here! Thanks for reading so far, and please continue in the next post if you feel like it!)

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 04:34:26 pm »
Captaining on a Spire

Captaining a Spire can be a relaxed, but also very thrilling experience. Much like a Galleon, it's a game of position and not of speed and maneuverability. You've got a very good position to look around the map from your helm, so always make sure where there's cover to be had or a enemy ship could hide. Generally, you don't want to give the enemy a chance to fire back, because your hull just isn't up to it and you lack the maneuverability to evade and strafe.

Spire's are often seen as supporting ships, and while they definitely can take other ships on their own, they're well suited for that role. Having another ship soak the damage and distract your enemies is just great for you; you can follow in it's trail and pick off your targets one by one. Even if your allied Captain isn't any vocal, keep an eye out of him on the map and make sure you make good use of his ship. Personally I like to pick off Spires as a prefered target, because if everything goes fine, they'll be down much faster than other ships and then I can deal with the remaining enemies much easier. If I have a Spire protected by her allied ships, I'm just screwed.

When flying it, you'll have to pay special attention to it's draft. Only a Galleon has a higher draft then the Spire, I think, but it might be that the Spire is even worse off with that. Try not to fly too close to the ground, as you could easily with other ships, because you'll ram it much sooner than any other vessel. Instead, cover is your top priority for avoiding enemy fire. Clouds, debris, chunks, allied or enemy vessels that could provide some shelter from attackers. It is possible for the Spire to evade by flying up and down, specially fast with Hydrogen and Chute Vent, but this also makes shooting for her own Gunners much more difficult.

A Spire is slow, and you can only marginally help that by using Kerosene or Moonshine, you won't quite catch up to other Ship's speed. This gives you more time to think though - You can't just rush at another ship with the Spire and hope it'll hold out. Take your opponents moves into opinion, where they might hide, if their weaponry is close range or long range, does their Captain have any idea of the game. All in all, I'd say that flying a Spire requires much more thinking from me than flying a Goldfish. It doesn't forgive mistakes that easily or grant you a second chance, but it also makes quick process with enemies that get into its scope.

Make sure you know the positions of all the guns on your Spire. It turns incredibly fast, so you have the chance to get the right weapon pointing at the right enemy at most times, if you're well aware that you've got a flamer on port. Choosing your front weaponry will possibly be an easy task for you, because the selection can be made a little slimmer for the Spire. Start with the Heavy Weapon and then try to complement it. Long Range: Typhoon Heavy Flak, Lumberjack Heavy Mortar. Short to Middle Range: Manticor Heavy Hwacha, Hellhound Heavy Twin Carronade. Remember that a Spire fares better on Long Range, but given a good Crew and tactics, it is possible to bring her into mid range for making use of Carronade and Hwacha. Still, I'd advice you to try long range first. The starboard and portside light guns are a different matter, if you're going for long range you'll likely want them to be defensive.

Note that the Spire is one of the few ships that has the space for using the Beacon Light Flare Gun. Best put it on one of the sides, and then quit the hiding any other ship might play on you!

Now, let's quickly cover the Captain's tools on the Spire:

Hydrogen It's always good for getting out of danger by gaining height fast! Applying it carefully can help you evade enemy shots, but might also disrupt your own Gunners. Your Ballon has a good amount of health, unless punctuated by a Lumberjack or Carronade, you can use it with about half your balloons health.
Chute Vent Chances are you'll often be high in the skies atop some clouds. Now if you get spotted there, you might want to quickly retreat into cover by descending very fast. Watch out with the Spires huge draft, don't crash into the ground! You might also use it for evading enemy shots, but that could get tricky, as you'd have to go lower and lower - or couple it with Hydrogen. Again, your Ballon has a good amount of health, unless punctuated by a Lumberjack or Carronade, you can use it with about half your balloons health.
Drogue ChuteThe Spire's Balloon really stands out, it's a very easy and clearly visible target. Also, if a enemy is above you, it'll likely have to take damage that's actually aimed on the hull. Drogue Chute will give you much more time to get the Balloon up and flying again!
Kerosene You'd go a little faster with it, but then you'd only marginally be faster than a Galleon and a Junker. I'd say it's hardly worth the slot.
Moonshine You won't ram enemy ships with the Spire, so the combination of Moonshine and Impact Bumpers doesn't work here. It might help you gaining speed in the beginning, or actually give you a chance on running away, but I'm not sure it's a viable option. Due to the heavy damage it causes on the engines, you won't be able to use it for long.
Impact BumpersYou won't ram anyone with the Spire, unless you could take them on without the Bumpers as well. Bring them if you're afraid of getting rammed, otherwise you don't need them.
Phoenix ClawNo, you won't need them, I'm sure. A Spire turns faster than any other Ship.
Spy Glass Personal preference. If your crew feels up to it, have them do the spotting for you.
Tar Barrel Might prove useful for the Spire in close quarters, flying up and down and making the air next to you damage your enemies while they dance around you and get fended off by your sideguns. Never tried it myself though, so be careful with it!


I confess, sailor, I am far from having mastered the Spire, and therefore ask you to take my words with caution. It is not a ship that is played often, but I would by no means discard it immediately. It has it's place and worth among all the other ships, and given a good Captain and Crew, it can wreak havoc on anything that's foolish enough to present itself to the Spire. However, I think it has a steeper learning curve than other Ships, and you should not be discouraged if your first matches only give you a 5-4 victory and not the deserved 5-0.

I'm no expert on the Spire, just ocasionally captaining and repairing often! Feel free to comment, add your ideas, improve on what I've written, or tell me that I've got absolutely no idea of that Ship. I'll try to improve the guide with everything I get over the course of time!

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 05:53:17 pm »
Finally! In all my time playing GOI I feel that I have a good idea about how all the ships work...except the spire, now I really want to try flying the spire around and give it a shot. Thanks a lot!

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2013, 07:44:15 pm »
another job well done, congrats.


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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2013, 12:49:10 pm »
Thank you for your guide on the Spire. Too bad there's not a training simulator for each ship where Engineers can go through and learn the basics of each ship's repair. That would save loads of time attempting to educate/keep your ship alive whilst fending off the inevitable barrage of Hwacha missles from that Galleon ^^;

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 08:46:34 pm »
This is a belated reply, but I wanted to point out that there is a Practice mode, and the ability to apply damage and fire (using function keys) to your own ship as part of the practice process.  :)

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 09:19:36 pm »
The Spire has to be my least favorite ship.  I just don't find its turning speed all that useful, ESPECIALLY when sniping.  A hwacha/gatling spire can sometimes outperform a Goldfish because of its ability to keep two guns trained on one target and keep it in arc, but I have trouble figuring out how it's more useful than a Galleon when sniping.  I mean, the Galleon gets a whole extra heavy gun to snipe with on its port side, and can stand a chance up close to boot with an appropriately outfitted starboard.  The second I see a Spire I'll call it as a target, it's perhaps the easiest ship to shoot down, moreso than the much more agile Squid.

The best ones I've faced have abused the livining hell out of hydrogen and drogue chute to avoid enemy attacks, while spamming the everloving shit out of tar barrel.  The extra turn speed lets them cover a larger area up close making it difficult to approach them, and of course they're going to be shooting up or below their own mess so they don't get disabled themselves.

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2013, 11:30:54 am »
The Spires biggest advantages over a galleon are it's ability to rapidly acquire and switch targets so it always is putting out dps, and it's ability to approach a fight while firing and even more importantly flee an engagement while putting out dps.  They're also a bit easier to hide in a cloud.

A Galleon may still be your preference but they do perform differently. Don't forget you pretty much lose use of a gun on the Galleon when under heavy fire.

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 12:00:10 pm »
Phoenix ClawNo, you won't need them, I'm sure. A Spire turns faster than any other Ship.

I never fly a Spire without taking the Phoenix claw. The fast turning speed, plus the claw, is invaluable in close encounters. While the Spire does do better at a farther range, fights will always end up close (for the most part). In that case, the real 'glass cannon' aspects of the Spire come to light- without the main gun dishing out damage, the fight will be over quickly, and without the gun facing the right direction, it'll get disabled quickly.

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2013, 08:28:46 am »
Marvelous guide and surely something anyone wishing to pilot the Spire should look at before doing so.

Some personal input from my experiences with the ship, since it's one of my favorites:

I never go close range Spire, not realy sure about its effectiveness, since you can potentialy do a lot of damage with a gatling and a Manticore both onto one target, but as you mentioned, what keeps me from doing that is the horrible survaivability this ship's armor and hull have.

Crewing a Spire should be the standart 1 Pilot, 1 Gunner, 2 Engineers. You absolutely need the different ammo types on the heavy long range weapons and of course no less than 2 engies to keep it in shape, though it is also the pilot's job to make sure his ship can be kept together by avoiding enemy fire, rams and keeping distance properly.

For piloting equipment:

I usually take either Chute Vent or Hydrogen depending on the map, I honestly don't think you need both, but they are both amazing tools for the Spire.

Droge Chute I realy never use, usually a popped ballon means you are either being peppered by carronades or getting hit by a Lumberjack, which you should be avoiding in the first place with the use of your other tools, but if it happens, I usually instruct my crew to go full on repair mode and keeping everything up till I manage to get us out of there. Don't forget pilots, if the balloon is down, you still have momentum and thrust, your ship is still moving! Make clever use of it.

Completely agree on what you said about the Impact Bumpers and Moonshine, you won't be ramming and if you are at the point of getting rammed the bumpers won't save the fragile Spire from turning into scrap metal.

About Kerozene though, it's realy useful on a Spire, you can have a burst of speed, even if not by much to avoid rams with it as well as it helps keep the enemy at range for a bit longer, it also greatly helps with manuvering and turning rate of the ship while doing less damage to the engines overall than a Phoenix Claw for a very small loss in turning rate compared to it but with a ton of other advantages. Definately give it a try.

The Spyglass is something you personaly as a pilot shouldn't have to bring, realy. It's the only pilot tool that doesn't require you to be on the helm to use it and it's something your crew will always have on them since they won't be piloting so it would be best if you let this one up to your gunner and gun-engineer, you realy need all the air manuvering gear you can get while on a Spire when things get hairy.

The Tar Barrel is a marvelous tool on the Spire, switching between it and Kerozene while avoiding enemy fire can save your life a lot of the time, as it greatly obscures enemy vision and renders their ship useless if they make the mistake of entering a tar cloud. Very good to lay some tar when you hide behind some cover as well as your unexpected enemy follows you, they might fall victims to your clouds.


The only other loadout suggestion that I can put out there is what is in my belief the other most popular Spire build by equiping a Lumberjack Heavy mortar up front along with a Mercury gun on top deck, Flare gun on Middle deck Starboard for when you need to flee and can get a shot on their balloon with it or spot enemies within clouds (I'm looking at you Fjords) and also equiping an Artemis light Rocket launcher on Top deck Dock side to assist in disabling and finishing power when someone can man it. All in all it is a very long range focused loadout, don't expect to be effective at close range and your success will also depend on whether your ally pilot(s) are willing to co-operate with you and take some hits for you as you help them slaughter everything.

Hope I managed to deliver some feedback, I'm by no means an expert on this game so as always it's up to the captain to fit their ship according to their liking. Great guide, again! c:

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 09:13:07 am »
Kyren my good fellow could you please do something like this for my squid and junker? i would be very grateful xxxxxxxxxx

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 12:10:20 pm »
Kyren, been meaning to give you my thoughts on the Squid forever.  Hit me up if you want help putting together a squid guide.

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2013, 03:10:42 pm »
Kyren my good fellow could you please do something like this for my squid and junker? i would be very grateful xxxxxxxxxx

Kyren, been meaning to give you my thoughts on the Squid forever.  Hit me up if you want help putting together a squid guide.

We'll make a deal, you guys write applications for me and I'll write your guides. No, on a more serious note; I've still got some pages to write for the Community Manual and I really can't ask people to contribute to it before I haven't made a contribution to it myself - I'll take care of those, hopefully in the next days, and then Junker and Squid guides are necessary for the Community Manual anyways. Needless to say, they will of course also be posted here.

Also, I'm not a expert for Junker and Squid. My Goldfish experience comes from only flying Goldfish, my Spire experience comes from serving with Drog nearly every time he flew his Spire. But, once I get to writing those guides (unless someone else is faster than me - please, go ahead!), I'll be sure to get as much as help as possible, though.

Still... I'm happy you're trusting me on those still. I'll try to make some progress within the next days. Seriously, thank you :)

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2013, 04:39:57 pm »
How many engineers does it take to effectively fly a spire?
About 500 hundred: one too cordinate work, and the other 499 to rebuild a new spire since the last one got destroyed... again

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Re: Aboard a Spire
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2013, 06:32:34 pm »
How many engineers does it take to effectively fly a spire?
About 500 hundred: one too cordinate work, and the other 499 to rebuild a new spire since the last one got destroyed... again

They will never get the design right :P