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Hwacha Tweek
Richard LeMoon:
I have had quite a few players join my Galleon crew, and instantly ask "Why so many hwachas? They are not very good. Can't you put X gun here?" I tell them we can change after the next match, and to follow my orders exactly. When the match is done, I ask what they want to change. Most simply say something like "I am fine with them where they are."
As I stated before, the Manticor is a heavy communications gun. If you don't have good communication, it is terrible.
Nidh:
I've shot a hwacha before, and I talk to my crew thank you very much. I hate how this community keeps talking about people like Echoez and I like we are incompetent and don't even play this game. I ask for a small buff to make the hwacha more forgiving at longer ranges and accessible to people who aren't trained snipers. A lot of responses are saying this buff is unnecessary. Fine. But the buff I'm asking for is not a bad thing, and it's not going to break the game.
Captain Smollett:
--- Quote from: Nidh on October 04, 2013, 07:31:45 pm ---I've shot a hwacha before, and I talk to my crew thank you very much. I hate how this community keeps talking about people like Echoez and I like we are incompetent and don't even play this game. I ask for a small buff to make the hwacha more forgiving at longer ranges and accessible to people who aren't trained snipers. A lot of responses are saying this buff is unnecessary. Fine. But the buff I'm asking for is not a bad thing, and it's not going to break the game.
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Sorry if my previous post came off as an attack because it certainly wasn't intended as such.
I've noticed very similar problems with the gun when I fly in pub matches however when I'm shooting it myself or have trusted gunners I don't have any difficulty achieving significant disables with it at mid range and I've seen the best gunners make extraordinary full range disables in competition.
Echoez:
--- Quote from: Captain Smollett on October 04, 2013, 09:42:24 pm ---Sorry if my previous post came off as an attack because it certainly wasn't intended as such.
I've noticed very similar problems with the gun when I fly in pub matches however when I'm shooting it myself or have trusted gunners I don't have any difficulty achieving significant disables with it at mid range and I've seen the best gunners make extraordinary full range disables in competition.
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Since I was mentioned in Nidh's post I do feel like I have to reply, no offence taken, it's all good.
BUT!
I think that this is an issue that needs to be adressed a bit.
We all can agree that the Hwacha's accuracy is total bongers, realy bad. Because Heavy Clip is the only ammo type that affects a gun's spread, the Hwacha can only choose between Perfect and Crap accuracy, my problem main lies in the fact that 'Perfect' accuracy is only good at very long ranges of over 700 meters or so, anything closer and Heavy clip loses out a lot of its flair. Burst is still not in effective range since it has to deal with the crap effective range of the Hwacha that is mostly around 150-200 meters, just to be on the safe side. There is a massive range gap between those two extremes that leaves the weapon with no optimal ammo choice.
Now, old Heavy clip had this covered cause it didn't turn the weapon into a laser precision gun, by retaining some spread, the range gap was basically non existant, or handly noticable.
Can someone compesate for that? Yes, but not optimaly, since both the shake and the time it will take to empty the clip in multiple bursts have many downsides like longer cycle time which is very bad on a weapon with an already punishing reload time, also it gives the enemy more time between bursts to repair their guns in order to withstand more shots.
This is why I insist on getting some of the old spread Heavy Clip had (85% reduction instead of 100% or something). This will probably also help silencing some complaints about the carronades being too 'easy' to use as well since they won't be essentialy a lazer gun anymore.
I believe I'm being reasonable at least, I will bid everyone a goodnight at this point, see you all tomorrow good chaps.
DMaximus:
So, I gun a lot. It's kind of my thing. I'm not awful at it either. The Hwacha's not really my best gun (I'll blame it on my laptop seizing up due to the firing animation), but I do end up shooting it a lot. And I think what's happening here is kind of a clash of expectations for what the gun's role should be.
Long range Hwacha disables are hard. I haven't really noticed the screen shake people are mentioning, but walking your shots across the front of a pyra from a km out is very difficult. And I think it should be. Previously, long range disables with old heavy were fairly easy. The firing method for long range was almost exactly the same as short range, fire and forget. If you point it in the general area things will break. With new heavy LR hwacha is now a lot more difficult and requires more skill. It was certainly a nerf to the gun if you consider the gun's purpose to be long range disabler.
I've always thought of it as a mid to close range disabler. I'm of the school that switches to burst as quickly as possible. You'll miss more shots but usually break more things. I've never seriously considered it as a true long range weapon except in the hands of a skilled gunner. I'm still pretty poor at it, look to someone like Lambert if you want to learn it. However, the hwacha is a paragon of reliability once you close to mid range and load burst.
My Suggestions:
* Change the listed range. The 1200m max range technically makes it long range, but it really isn't.
* A slight buff to the shatter damage. It won't really be noticed at short range, but at long it'll be the difference between quite badly damaged and disabled.
TL;DR: I guess I consider long range hwacha hits a bonus that requires a bit of luck and a lot of practice. I am content with the mayhem and destruction it causes once you get into mid or close range. And I'm apparently either blind or way too focused since I've only noticed the shake if the pilot is full throttle.
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