Off-Topic > The Pit
Ok, time to deal with less than pleasant players
QKO:
--- Quote from: Imagine on September 11, 2013, 02:08:21 am ---It does, it's served as the you make a silly suggestion and everyone says no, stop that thread.
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No the point of this thread was to deal with the root cause of certain glaring issues. Rather than having people cry about stacking, planning an inhouse because the pubs are so shitty(https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,2389.0.html) or having them cry about rude players(https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,2392.0.html). That was the root cause for this thread because, just like I mentioned it was going to happen; it now has happened.
And instead of trying to disprove my initial statement, which was that there are some very annoying players in the game and that they could pose a problem, you instead decided to try to bash me. Because lets face it, you can't really disprove that statement, nor do you want to admit that this is in fact happening. Even if you think my plan sucks, you could at least try to come up with some alternatives that would prevent the need for inhouses or other elitist crap that will in fact disillusion newer players in ways unimaginable.
And now again, the newbie pool is a complete pile of shit, newbies are now diverting to the regular pool to avoid this pile of shit. The newbies are, more often than not, not experienced enough to participate in the regular pool which means they take losses and take shit from players that wish to get them up to speed faster than that they can handle. And what you have now, as quoted earlier are people wishing to inhouse to avoid these newer players.
By all means, think of me what you will, I do not care one tiny little bit. But, I do request you keep out of this thread with your blatantly provocative and stupid remarks.
QKO:
--- Quote from: MonsterMutt on September 11, 2013, 11:19:30 am ---In a nutshell you're proposing that lower level players will need enough commendations from higher level users to play with the "decorated veterans" of GoI.
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You could name them that, or just "regulars"; there's 15 levels in this game, having a minimum requirement of 3 to enter a normal is relatively speaking nothing.
--- Quote ---I don't feel the commendation system would be reliable to judge a new player. Giving someone a commendation at the end of a match has become the new 'gg' in GoI. This applies for veteran players as much as for beginners.
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So commendations would not be given when such a player doesn't even deserve a gg, this is something that is good. If a player is working to keep up with the current playerbase and gets up to speed in the desired pace, they should have access to the regular pool. The idea is not designed to separate good players from bad players. It's to control the flow of newer players into the regular pool.
--- Quote ---Conversely, a few mean spirited players could keep out deserving new players, at least in the short term. But that may be enough for a few players to get fed up and drop GoI entirely. Which leads to my next point, I'm afraid this system would encourage elitism.
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Yes, again, the short term. They can be kept in the newbie pool for a little while longer before becoming regulars by automation. Secondly, the newbie pool needs some serious work as it currently puts in a whole lot of people that cannot even walk with people who wish to try to understand the game and wish to get better at it. That is what the second part of the plan was for. If players do not care about learning and playing the game proper, they can do so outside the confines of the regular and newbie pool. Alternatively, we can go to a newbie server and yell at these people until they stop playing.
--- Quote ---Sure, in theory Muse could implement all sorts of reporting systems to go after players who give out commendations to everyone or those who conspire against new players. You also mention investigating players and processing 'appeals'. To me that just adds too much complexity to the game. And as far as Muse is concerned they probably already have enough on their plate, they don't want to be playing hall monitor.
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Partially correct, yes it adds complexity for the Muse system should the majority of players decide to appeal the automated decision. But at least it gives Muse grounds to put people in or take people from that pool. That bit of monitoring can make a huge difference. Aside from that, I'm slightly hoping that such a pool will also make the players inside it realize that not playing together will not get anyone anywhere.
--- Quote ---I'd approach GoI a bit like hockey: Call the penalties but let the players police themselves.
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I'd be in favor of a kick system as well, but Muse said "HELL NO!! NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!" so this ends up being the next best thing.
--- Quote ---Personally, I love the anarchic and open nature of this game. It really fits into the post-apocalyptic "Wild West" theme of Guns of Icarus. :)
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It used to work for lots of games, even dota. But when the trolls hit, they just hit hard.
MonsterMutt:
--- Quote ---So commendations would not be given when such a player doesn't even deserve a gg, this is something that is good.
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I think you misunderstood my meaning. Commendations are often given out by default. I've joined matches a few seconds before the end and I was receiving commendations from new and experienced players alike...yet I hadn't done anything. Whereas you see commendations and 'gg' as an evaluation of someones abilities, many people interpret commendations and 'gg' as a way of saying 'thanks for playing, I had fun!'.
Even if Muse puts in place such a system it will only work if people back it 100%. Meaning, they agree on what deserves a commendation and they stick to those guidelines. I just don't see that happening because people will hold different opinions, regardless of their skill level.
For example I'd give a commendation to a player if he/she is always positive, joking around and fun to play with.
Zenark:
I actually don't really see a problem with 'inhousing', as you call it. Is it so bad to just play with your friends/clan; not going into public games? They're not hurting anybody by playing privately amongst themselves. As for those who only crew with their clan, oh well. They know they work well together, no need to throw off their flow by adding a lower level player to the crew. If they're stacking, there are other lobbies for one, plus there's nothing stopping another stacked team from joining to face them.
If I join a lobby and see two Duck ships on the other team, I don't stay. Say one of these high level, super competitive clans decides to in-house and they never play publicly again. Who does that hurt? It's just one less clan to be pub stomped by.
QKO:
--- Quote from: Zenark on September 11, 2013, 02:19:26 pm ---I actually don't really see a problem with 'inhousing', as you call it. Is it so bad to just play with your friends/clan; not going into public games? They're not hurting anybody by playing privately amongst themselves. As for those who only crew with their clan, oh well. They know they work well together, no need to throw off their flow by adding a lower level player to the crew. If they're stacking, there are other lobbies for one, plus there's nothing stopping another stacked team from joining to face them.
If I join a lobby and see two Duck ships on the other team, I don't stay. Say one of these high level, super competitive clans decides to in-house and they never play publicly again. Who does that hurt? It's just one less clan to be pub stomped by.
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The problem with inhousing is for one the reasoning behind it: "I can't trust regular pub players" and secondly(and more importantly): new players with no connections to the players that are inhousing cannot get in. It means effectively that the pub standards drop to dota level while a select few 'elites' are duking it out amongst themselves. And since the inhouse group has the most experience, they will usually keep a distinct advantage over regular pubbies because the regular pubbies are held back by idiots. This is basically dota all over again.
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