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Ok, time to deal with less than pleasant players

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Commodore Phoenix:

--- Quote from: Captain Phoenix on September 02, 2013, 08:22:14 pm ---You can if enough people complain about it right?

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Now this would be nazism
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Actually its called democracy its what drives a lot of things like freedom, equality, all the things that make something good.

What you don't seem to understand is you posted a thread to come up with ways to make alternatives for your ideas, however you fail to understand we don't need your idea or alternatives for it, why? because your ideas are similar to ones that ruin almost every other game culture out there that are using the same basis and seems though we already have several things in place that makes this game and its community so enjoyable you ideas are just silly they would never be put through i'm not trying to start a war I am merely saying your ideas just shouldn't be here because they don't work and we don't need them to work when we already have a better system.

QKO:

--- Quote from: Captain Phoenix on September 02, 2013, 08:30:40 pm ---I willingly accept him on my crew and I wish to see him preform in battle if he has a point that is worth making he should at least prove he isn't hypocritical.

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As you wish.


--- Quote from: James T. Kirk on September 02, 2013, 08:33:51 pm ---Why can't I be experienced AND play 'just for fun'?

Just because I don't fly gat/mortar builds and play to win 100% doesn't mean I don't respect the game.

The way that me and my friends play (using lots of fire, for all of you new to the Forum) would probably get a lot of us 'reported.'

We already do have 'experienced' lobbies. They're even password protected. If you want in, there's one every Sunday at minimum.


One of the great joys (to me) of this game is not only its uniqueness (airship combat! :D) but also it's community. It's hopping into some random lobby, saying hello to everyone, getting a few 'hi's back and having idle conversation until the lobby fills up.

Sure, you get some people who just respond with a swift 'shut up,' but people often respond to that with a 'that's not cool' or 'Jesus, what's your problem?'

Maybe I just catch the lucky end of the 'Lobby Lottery,' if you will, but this is one of the best damn general communities I've ever encountered.

That's not to say I don't want to preserve it.

I think the way to go about that is to teach those who will listen and scold those who don't.

Those who try to play this game independently are quickly bored with it.

I may be misunderstanding you completely. If I am please correct me.

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I do not know how many ways I have to pinpoint the type of player I'm on about. Everyone does weird builds. Your clanleader has one of the most idiotic builds around and he's making it work pretty damn well. I'm not here about rules on how you're supposed to win. I'm here about players that join the game, say nothing, immediately ready with a full mortar ship. Then when in game you try to reach them they ignore you. Or how about the player that repairs a near depleted hull armor with a spanner rather than a mallet? And uses the mallet to restore a near full health hull armor? Of course, he continues doing this after 3 crew members explicitly told him to knock that off. Then there's the second pilot syndrome, or the second gunner syndrome. I even have the politeness to inform my opposing crew that their ship is going to fail during the upcoming game and they ignore me or tell me to shut the fuck up; of course they die in the game and guess what their crew has to go through?

You have seen me in game, you see me flying around with a carronade+flamethrower pyramidion, your clan has had me onboard their ships several times and had me play along just fine. You should know that I'm not targeting the way some people wish to approach this game in the context of the game. I'm trying to make clear that I'm targeting players that do not care about the game one damn bit; and if the game ends up completely ruined because of them they still don't care about it. They are the players you give advice and they tell you to stfu or use other verbal means to insult you. That is who I'm after.

And yes, right now this is one of the best gaming communities out there. That is correct and I agree with that. What is happening however, which is not only seen by me, but quite a few people around me is that CA intervention is becoming much more common now due to the friction between the types of players. And the suggestion I mention in OP is expressly designed to reduce or completely avoid that friction.

QKO:

--- Quote from: Captain Phoenix on September 02, 2013, 08:42:40 pm ---Actually its called democracy its what drives a lot of things like freedom, equality, all the things that make something good.

What you don't seem to understand is you posted a thread to come up with ways to make alternatives for your ideas, however you fail to understand we don't need your idea or alternatives for it, why? because your ideas are similar to ones that ruin almost every other game culture out there that are using the same basis and seems though we already have several things in place that makes this game and its community so enjoyable you ideas are just silly they would never be put through i'm not trying to start a war I am merely saying your ideas just shouldn't be here because they don't work and we don't need them to work when we already have a better system.

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Mob justice does not apply to censorship.

The way I proposed this is an extension on what Alliance of Variant Arms (maintained by aeria games) is doing with their beginner pool. The beginner pool is even a means to attract new players because the experience gain there is higher. What I simply did was add one more pool in there that is explicitly designed for those who don't fit in either of the regular pools. This is to reduce friction. This means less interventions from CA and less yelling from me(which should be a good thing!) and other players. The AVA approach is successful. Players there, just like I propose right here, can skip the beginner pool if they so desire and immediately join up with the experienced players, they do so however at the experienced players consent. If the consent is withdrawn, which is usually because the player isn't qualified, the player is told to go to the beginner pool or kicked immediately in that game. Since Muse is against kicking and since the commendation system is used as liberal as it is now, new players wishing to enter the experienced player pool should have no real problem skipping the beginner pool if they so desire. That is the key idea of my (genius) plan.

The 'casual' pool can be compared to the low priority pool in DotA2, which up to an extend did work. However, DotA2's major flaw is the lack of manual intervention. I suspect that a lot of 'casual' players wouldn't really care about what pool they ended up in and won't bother to appeal them being put there. And for that an automated system would succeed in segregating properly. There's cases however of players that never ever should end up in such a pool and for them the appeal system is in place. Again, while segregating, I want to keep as much free movement as possible, but not to the point where friction occurs.

Eukari:

--- Quote from: QKO on September 02, 2013, 08:59:45 pm ---...they do so however at the experienced players consent.
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This is a big issue. Letting players, no matter how "experienced" essentially vet other players turns this whole thing into a popularity contest. In a game centered on building trust and camaraderie with your fellow players, "booting" people because you don't like how they do things is the worst thing you can do. We should be encouraging players to open up and be friendly and cooperative, not handing down summary judgement.

Imagine:
Dude, literally all you do is post about how this game is going to turn into DOTA2 or LoL, and then come up with asinine plans of how to "combat it" to which, when, presented with arguments against it, you basically stick your fingers in your ears and sing "lalala can'thearyou".

No one agrees with your doomsday scenarios, and everything you've suggested either gets shot down quickly or is against Muse's philosophy, so please... just stop.

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