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Commodore Phoenix:
LOL. But in all seriousness you are a dedicated player.

Squidslinger Gilder:

--- Quote from: Surette on July 13, 2013, 01:31:30 pm ---This is a bit silly. That's like saying I'm unable to critique music because I've never personally been in a successful band. Sure, my highest level is only 9, but I'd like to think I'm somewhat familiar with the achievement system at this point. Saying my argument is invalid because I'm under level 10 is just an easy way to dismiss a point without actually responding to it.

I genuinely don't see the issue with having very difficult endgame achievements. The entire point of endgame achievements are for them to take a long time, and for them to only be able to be completed by a select few.

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Yeah but you nuts seem to have no concept of how difficult or how futile these achievements are. How long have you been playing? 100hrs? 150? Maybe over 200? I'm over 670, Phoenix is over 750, Twinkie is over 1000. We've been doing this long enough to know how much a pain in the butt it is to get achievements like this. How hard it is to find players even capable of doing this.

This is like talking to a wall. Phoenix and I keep saying this and you all keep demonizing us and throwing it back. NEWSFLASH!!!! THE MAJORITY OF NEW PLAYERS DO NOT CONTINUE PLAYING THIS GAME OUTSIDE OF A DAY OR TWO!!!! WE'VE HELPED BRING MANY INTO THIS GAME BUT WHAT DO WE GET...THEY DEPART AFTER A FEW MATCHES NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN!!! The community of this game is not healthy enough for it to handle level cap achievements. Specially not ones which force an entire team to be of all the same level or higher. If it was just one player on that team, then we wouldn't even be here.

Heck I'll end this argument now if these achievements get changed to ones where it only requires one person of a certain level to do it. Because then it is tough, but doable if worked at.

Surette:

--- Quote from: Gilder on July 13, 2013, 05:58:06 pm ---Yeah but you nuts seem to have no concept of how difficult or how futile these achievements are. How long have you been playing? 100hrs? 150? Maybe over 200? I'm over 670, Phoenix is over 750, Twinkie is over 1000. We've been doing this long enough to know how much a pain in the butt it is to get achievements like this. How hard it is to find players even capable of doing this.

This is like talking to a wall. Phoenix and I keep saying this and you all keep demonizing us and throwing it back. NEWSFLASH!!!! THE MAJORITY OF NEW PLAYERS DO NOT CONTINUE PLAYING THIS GAME OUTSIDE OF A DAY OR TWO!!!! WE'VE HELPED BRING MANY INTO THIS GAME BUT WHAT DO WE GET...THEY DEPART AFTER A FEW MATCHES NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN!!! The community of this game is not healthy enough for it to handle level cap achievements. Specially not ones which force an entire team to be of all the same level or higher. If it was just one player on that team, then we wouldn't even be here.

Heck I'll end this argument now if these achievements get changed to ones where it only requires one person of a certain level to do it. Because then it is tough, but doable if worked at.

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The entire point of my argument is that I do understand how difficult these achievements are. I'm trying to say that I think very difficult endgame achievements are a good thing. These achievements were also implemented with the intent for the community to grow. They may be near impossible now, but soon there will be more higher leveled players, and the achievements won't seem bad at all. And you might say "why not wait to add the achievements until there are more players" -- but I don't see how it matters when they get added. They'll get easier as time goes on and as the community grows and reaches higher levels, and that's exactly how they're meant to work.

I'm not demonizing anyone, I agree that some of the achievements are very difficult with the current state of the game and the community. My point is that's exactly the intent of endgame achievements and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Commodore Phoenix:
You say the community is going to grow OK fair enough sometimes we have a small boost in players from TGS cast or other things but since my time playing in December they player amount has only increased by about 20-30 on at the lowest time . This game does not have a fast growing community. It's a very niche game that doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

Also endgame achievements would imply that you get a big pay off like say the ultimate ship or the best gun. This is not the case the level 13 prize is a MASK and god knows what the level 15 prize is if they have even done one, there is no incentive for people to do the "Endgame" achievements like you say. I personally only do achievements so that I feel I haven't wasted most of my life playing this game with a group of people I don't enjoy playing with.

Squidslinger Gilder:
Perfect case in point. Did a few matches on Firnfeld against lvl 4+, finally got some. But all were clan teams and people with mics, with one level 11. All losses, all non perfect victories. This is a level 9 achievement and it literally takes absolute pub stomping and stacking of one team to pull it off. After all the fuss newbs make about stacking, this is what Muse is encouraging. Gimmie a break. These achievements are flawed and you know it. Everyone I talked with in the match agreed they are full of crap.

This whole time the system could be solved simply by not forcing all the opposing team to have high numbers. Just make it 1 ship. Or maybe 2 ships for 3v3. That is plenty difficult but doable if worked at.

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